Saturday, December 29, 2007

Voice2Pages Does it Again - Shaming Former Affilites in the Launch of Pay Per Play and NetAudioAds

In the previous post I announced that Voice2Page was trying to do the right thing by the original affiliates that help build the majority of users inside of their system. It appears that that was just an attempt to placate the former affiliates.

The affiliate program that was first put into play by voice2page and netaudioads appeared to be a cash grab by them. As many affiliates never received payouts for their efforts despite paying in the monthly fees to voice2page. That is why the former affiliates stopped promoting it.

Here is a copy of the recent email sent to the original affiliates:

Happy Holidays,

We are pleased to announce exciting changes to the Voice2Page Affiliate program.

We want to thank all of our affiliates for working together with us to build a solid system which has become the platform for Net Audio Ads today. Your efforts have helped build the footprint on which we can launch forward in a new medium of online marketing and ad content delivery which will benefit all of the online marketers and advertisers who participate.

Voice2Page is embarking on an exciting new program which pays better commissions and costs nothing to join or belong to.

After nearly three years of development and testing, we are now releasing the NetAudioAds product. You may have already seen publicity from the Pay-Per-Play people. They are a group who have contracted with Voice2Page, on a NON-EXCLUSIVE basis, to develop a large footprint of website publishers to host the NetAudioAds product.

This opportunity extends to you as well.

BUT FIRST ...

Lets get the past affiliate program completed and done with.

FIRST:

In a prior email we asked that you reply to us in order that we can refund all of the affiliate membership fees that you paid to Voice2Page. If you have not already done so, you need to request the refund via email in order for us to process it.

SECOND:

During your membership in the original V2P Affiliate program we randomly assigned you a membership base out of the people who signed up for the standard Voice2Page service or the V2P Comment Player.

Those members are STILL YOURS and you will STILL RECEIVE YOUR COMMISSIONS on every ad played on those member pages as long as those members continue using Voice2Page.

A large part of the benefits of being an affiliate was a commission on every ad played by your downline, once advertising started. The time has come - PAID advertising will begin in the first quarter of 2008 and commissions will be paid for all ads played on every one of your members' pages.

THIRD:

Since affiliate membership fees are being refunded and no more charges will be made for the affiliate program, there will be no commissions for the affiliates below you. HOWEVER, you still earn your percentage of the advertising revenue from your downline now and into the future, as long as the member uses Voice2Page.

If you have any questions or comments, please email me at lhost@voice2page.com.

Sincerely,

The V2P Affiliate Team
Voice2Page.com


When I questioned Larry Host on when they were going to provide more pertinent information based on this announcement here is the responses received from him.

Paul Rushing: When are you going to send out full disclosures of what people are to expect ?
Larry: huh?
Paul Rushing: That does not tell people how or why they are to earn through the system
Paul Rushing: it is just a premise
Paul Rushing: no substance
Larry: so, am i to assume that you expect me to project earnings in the future? yeah, right! what we said is what we will do. they can login to see progress after it happens
Paul Rushing: it does not tell people what the earning rate is
Paul Rushing: how to refer new people etc
Larry: same as it was. no new affiliates accepted under old program. they can join ppp if they want to.


It just appears that the never really have any intention on doing the right thing. The former system the users were using HTML and CSS build players and the new system requires java script players. The users who the old affiliates referred are not going back to ad java script players and if they cut out the old players they will lose those users.

When voice2page was pitching netaudioads to us they said that the five second ad clips would be on the front of the free users use of the system.

So I can only assume that all plays from the free users that were recruited into the old system will count as ad plays. If that is not the case I can see them being in court for quite sometime once the affiliates call them out on the sham if they are not paid this way.

Mr Host does not seem to mind going to court or trying to abuse the court system based on statements he made to me either.

Here is his take on it:



Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:08:39 PM): Hi Larry
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:09:06 PM): This is Paul Rushing
Larry (12/26/2007 8:09:12 PM): can we come to some accomodation here?
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:09:22 PM): Well I don't know
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:09:47 PM): I have been libeled 2 x by your agent based on slanderous information he recieved from v2p
Larry (12/26/2007 8:10:27 PM): c'mon, recognise we have also been libeled by your comments about things of which you have no information
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:10:35 PM): I havew not libeled you
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:10:42 PM): if it is not documeted fact
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:10:53 PM): I expressly made it opinion
Larry (12/26/2007 8:11:05 PM): lets get beyond 'mommy he called me a name' and be businessmen here
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:11:16 PM): You woul be suprised what kind of information I have
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:11:23 PM): yes I am
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:11:29 PM): I have a reputation to protect
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:11:40 PM): and your agent has done the best he can to damage it
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:11:58 PM): I am being a business man
Larry (12/26/2007 8:11:58 PM): you would also be surprised at wht our legal analyst has on your 'opinions' - so do we work this out or not
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:12:05 PM): every thing is transactional to me
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:12:33 PM): I really dont care about your legal anylyst opinion either
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:12:44 PM): I am not far from having a JD myself
Larry (12/26/2007 8:12:50 PM): ball is in your court - you can either appear to be responsible for this 'breakthrough' or you do not, your choice
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:13:09 PM): The ball says
Larry (12/26/2007 8:13:15 PM): we are making this public in mere minutes unless we strike a workable deal
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:13:27 PM): I will annnouce that you have finally donte the right thig by the former affiliates
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:13:55 PM): that the company still cannot be trusted because of not paying affiates in the past
Larry (12/26/2007 8:13:58 PM): you can appear to have foreknowledge with our tacit approval
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:14:12 PM): that they only offered th refunds etc based on outside pressures
Larry (12/26/2007 8:14:29 PM): i guess that we have no further need to talk then
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:15:00 PM): It still does not change the fact theat you agent in the name of netaudio ads libeled me based on information he confirms came from v2p
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:15:26 PM): I also have a recording of the phone call where he admits he did not do due diligence
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:15:43 PM): on the claims he is making at sellingppp.com
Larry (12/26/2007 8:15:50 PM): i cannot control that - he is his own person and he was simply told that on of the reasons we cancelled the program was misuse by some top tier people (I only know of two people who committed these alleged abuses. I was not one of them and it was even encouraged by Voice2Page. More on this Latter. Not part of the chat in red)
Larry (12/26/2007 8:16:20 PM): he was not responsible to do due diligence, he is responsible to market a product
Larry (12/26/2007 8:16:34 PM): out third party auditors do the due diligence
Larry (12/26/2007 8:16:53 PM): it is the people PAYING that we do the audits for
Larry (12/26/2007 8:17:00 PM): the advertisers
Larry (12/26/2007 8:17:25 PM): I promised Dave that this would be emialed today
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:17:25 PM): what do you propose for me to release my libel claim made from your agent and the slanderous comments taht caused him to make them
Larry (12/26/2007 8:17:29 PM): are you in or out
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:17:46 PM): I am in regardless if you are doing the right thing by all affiliates
Larry (12/26/2007 8:17:50 PM): there is NO POSSIBILITY of any cash or stock settlement
Larry (12/26/2007 8:18:18 PM): lf you want to litigate, go ahead, discovery goes both ways and can get UGLY
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:18:27 PM): I really dont think the stock has any value now or in the futre unless you have a back up plan for whne this flops -- thatis opinion
Larry (12/26/2007 8:18:36 PM): and you cannot prove meaningful damages
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:18:46 PM): libel per se
Larry (12/26/2007 8:18:54 PM): let me worry about our future
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:18:54 PM): I dont need meaningingful damages
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:19:26 PM): ther earethings like contributory negligence
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:19:32 PM): false advertising
Larry (12/26/2007 8:19:42 PM): only if you can afford to fight a lawsuit with a legal colonoscope totally buried you-know-where, for a very extended period of time
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:19:51 PM): lol
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:19:55 PM): you dont understand
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:20:01 PM): that does not scare me
Larry (12/26/2007 8:20:02 PM): think your plan through, my dinner is ready
Larry (12/26/2007 8:20:07 PM): i will be back in 30 mins
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:20:08 PM): and a I am judgement proof
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:20:29 PM): right and wrong means more
Larry (12/26/2007 9:00:47 PM): back in a few
Larry (12/26/2007 9:42:06 PM): Why are you not responding to Charles nor accepting his calls?
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 9:42:20 PM): He has not called me
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 9:42:30 PM): I would take any call
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 9:42:42 PM): I have not received phone calls
Larry (12/26/2007 9:42:52 PM): what number should he call you at?
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 9:43:10 PM): 912-xxx-xxxx
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 9:43:14 PM): in 5 min
Larry (12/26/2007 9:43:18 PM): k



This is the complete chat I had with him before this letter was sent. You will notice I highlighted examples of his demeanor. Very unprofessional in my opinion.

Also he says this announcement is a breakthrough. How is doing the right thing by the people that built the company a breakthrough? Then not providing any real information to the affiliates other than they need to go join PayPerPlay is really nothing more than more Smoke and Mirrors from Voice2Page.

Wednesday, December 26, 2007

Voice2Page - NetAudioAds attempting to do the right thing despite the Pay Per Play Launch?,

Due to outside pressures voice2page - netaudioads is about to announce that they wish to do the right thing by their former affiliates outside of the Pay Per Play program. While many have not received refunds to prior contributions to the former affiliate program that were offered in a prior email to the former affiliates.

This is good news to the prior affiliates and further goes to show that if even one voice comes forward it can empower change. They are going to allow the former affiliates to earn from ad plays of the downlines that are already inside of the program.

I have not been privy to if new promotion will be allowed or have any information on how that this can be monitored. It is my opinion that they should of done this prior to the announcement of Pay Per Play to give those former affiliates the right to market the opportunity to their list before being bombarded from the Pay Per Play crowd.

Voice2page has made this announcement after they have successfully damaged the ability of the former affiliates the opportunity to promote this and make it a valid income stream by recruiting new members and website owners.

Many of the former affiliate have written off receiving compensation from Voice2Page on their prior efforts as well as the money they have paid in. Voice2page has had problems in the past of not paying affiliates for their effort and this new announcement will be luke warm at best.

While this gasp to reinstate credibility is long over due it still does not make the former affiliates whole, nor does it make up for the fact that they have committed libel and slander in their new marketing machine via Pay Per Play.

Tuesday, December 25, 2007

PayPerPlay Resorting to Libel to defend their product. Again...

I had not intended posting further about the lies being perpetuated by voice2page, netaudioads and PayPerPlay based on a gentleman's agreement I made with Charles Heflin. He has failed to live up to his end of the agreement in a recent post at

http://www.seo2020.com/seo-blog/40/netaudioads-voice2page-pay-per-play-a-media-explosion/

The second paragraph says:

A former affiliate of a previous program is confusing the new program with the old and spreading rumors. assumptions and blatant lies which are not based on fact.


This is a huge lie. Anything that has been posted by me has been verified as fact. With alleged "actual advertisers", history of prior promotions by voice2page or an inside source at voice2page / netaudioads.

There is absolutely no confusion in the new promotion it was designed to cut out the old affiliate program that built the user base that PayPerPlay is touting. PayPerPlay is riding the coattails of other people promotion effort.

They are using negative (unsubstantiated) press as a way to drive traffic to their website to ride the coat-tails of the traffic and momentum that Pay Per Play has gained. In short, they are using the contrarian approach to advertising to “ride the wave” of attention that NetAudioAds Pay Per Play is receiving. This is evidenced by claims of “insider knowledge” that only NetAudioAds itself and its advertisers could know.


Once again he mentions unsubstantiated claims and yes I have "insider knowledge". I would not jeopardize my financial future and open myself up for a libel claim by publishing lies, which Charles Heflin has a propensity to do.

All of the points raised by the skeptics (and disgruntled affiliates) are valid concerns but what they fail to realize is the power that 5 second audio ads now have in the marketplace.

Just ask TalkShoe.com, EveryZing.com, WebMasterRadio.com and many others if audio advertising is a viable market…

Here he tries to give show that the product is viable because others use audio promotions. He is comparing apples to oranges. The sites referenced above are sticky sites that users goto for a reason. Audio does not automatically start when you hit their home pages.

"Webmasterradio.com" has no audio on it what so ever and is basically parking service lander. He probably meant www.webmasterradio.fm unless he is trying to drive traffic to the former to profit from more misinformation. Webmasterradio.fm does have some auto start audio when you hit some pages but they are providing value to the users. People goto www.webmasterradio.fm to hear what they have to say.

Heflin has even admitted as such as the PayPerPlay product is not for sticky sites. Other advertising platforms that had autoplayed audio discontinued it and they have REAL Advertisers such as the Associated Press and Kiplingers. The branding message delivered was falling on deft ears and hurting webmasters and advertisers alike. www.thenewsroom.com

Skeptics believe that audio ads are not viable because people will turn down the volume on their speakers and advertisers will be charged for audio ads that aren’t heard. What these skeptics do not understand is the fact that NetAudioAds Voice2Page is 5 years in the making and extensive studies have been performed to determine that 80% of computer speakers are “turned on” all the time.
It has been tried already and deemed nonviable. What he fails to mention is that 60% of internet use is in the workplace where volume is kept muted or not even available. He is claiming extensive studies and yet fails to provide documentation. Charles show us the study. Facts and figures do not lie.

Based on this fact, audio advertising through the Internet has the potential to become the largest advertising medium the world has ever known.


Been tried and failed.

If 5 second audio advertising were not a viable opportunity for publishers and advertisers then NetAudioAds would not be experiencing explosive growth. In just 3 weeks the network has grown from 500,000 websites to over 3 million which is estimated to extend the reach of NetAudioAds Pay Per Play by more than 100 million audio ad plays per day.


This growth is due to lies from their marketing machine. Which have been documented.

Some former affiliates of NetAudioAds are disparately trying to discredit NetAudioAds as a viable opportunity by spreading opinion that is not well researched or based on facts. Some other former affiliates are resorting to libelous activities to discredit NetAudioAds and Pay Per Play.


Once again anything that I have published and claimed as fact has been verified. Any opinions given have been quantified as such. Charles Heflin has even told me on the phone that he has not verified the "Search Engine" connection or the claims made by voice2page. He took other peoples word for it and staked his name on information from a company known to not be honest.

The biggest thing is voice2page is known not to pay affiliates in the past. They have offered refunds to former affiliates, some have received them, but many that have requested them have not, some in the thousands and others in the range of several hundred of dollars.

The affiliate program pays on 3 levels and offers small and large marketers the opportunity to earn a share of all the advertising audio ad plays on their own website(s) as well as a commission on websites they refer directly and websites that their direct referrals bring on board.


He tries to discredit other affiliates efforts because it had a MLM style compensation plan and pitching a Multi Level compensation plan at the same time.

Why was the old affiliate program a waste and this one is so much better? It is about perception. He is trying to justify his opportunity while using any means possible for others to not discover the truth.

You will notice he is clueless to and refers people to verify claims with someone else.

If you have questions about the allegations being pushed forward by a few former NetAudioAds affiliates or have questions about the NetAudioAds Pay Per Play as a viable opportunity then please contact Larry Host at LHOST@VOICE2PAGE.COM


Mr Host is the same person that has threatened me and what felt like my personal safety in telephone conversations. The alleged allegations have been verified or they would not of been made.


Truth:

  • Voice2Page has a history of NOT PAYING AFFILIATES.
  • They have claimed advertisers they did not have. When asked for documentation Larry Host resorted to threat of lawsuits and to my personal safety.
  • Charles Heflin has admitted to me that he did not verify claims made. I have the conversation recorded and may publish it in audio.
  • Voice2Page has contacted me in an effort to recruit my help in promoting their their product and becoming a partner with them again. The day before Charles Heflin made this libelous post.
  • Direct Play Audio Advertising has been tried in the format they are pitching and it failed.
  • The NetAudioAds ad delivery compensation plan was part of the recruiting pitch for the former affiliate program.
  • HBO did not buy advertising for Taxicab Confessions 6.
  • The voice clip they are touting as actual advertisers is a test clip for the announcer. Probably used for audition purposes.
  • Voice2page has pissed off share holders over this launch.
  • If the PayPerPlay product becomes viable they will be mired in lawsuits by former affiliates for their share advertising payments.
  • I wished Charles Heflin well and hoped for his sake that and those recruited it lives up to the pitch. Despite this he posted this diatribe at his blog in an attempt to discredit me.
  • I never attacked Heflin in this fashion and only assumed he was fed misinformation by Larry Host et al. I never said that Pay Per Play was knowingly making false claims.
Opinion:
  • The product is not viable.
  • The new program was launched to circumvent the efforts of others.
  • The product may launch and survive a short time.
  • Google will probably consider the types of sites promoting this as search engine spam and deindex them. It will be easy with the footprint that voice2page / netaudio ads will hand them. Currently over 50% of search engine traffic comes from the G and is even greater in my own experience.
  • This program will not make it through the summer.
  • The voice2page product would make an awesome Web 2.0 style product. There are ways to monetize it that would make it viable.
  • The information that people have found online about this has hurt them more than the success claims they are making.
  • If potential mainstream advertisers do due diligence they will shun this product.
  • The product will provide little or no value to advertisers and they will have to adjust their pricing to the point it will not be profitable for website owners or voice2page in order to sell the product.
  • It will met the same fate as AGLOCO and Voice2Page does not have a back up plan.
  • I am supposed to receive a phone call from Larry Host the day after Christmas per the founder of Voice2Page. Given this new information I doubt he will call.

Wednesday, December 19, 2007

Source of Libelous Information Confirmed by the Founder of Pay Per Play

Through extensive emails back and forth with the founder of Pay Per Play the source for his libelous comments has been exposed. Because of the information that has been transfered to me through this exchange I can understand how these assumptions were made.

While the name of the person who issued spread this information about me taking up five tiers in an affiliate downline scheme is not know the source is definitely from voice2page / netaudioads.

These slanderous remarks came from voice2page / netaudioads and were misconstrued as fact that resulted in libel. I have never been a fan of MLM and would never buy up five positions in a downline to profit. To me that is unethical, while many MLM people to encourage this.

Even voice2page encouraged it when the affiliate program was launched.

The real problem with this launch is that Pay Per Play has been fed false information from voice2page / netaudioads. Even Pay Per Play has not verified that the Search Engine connection that they are touting, while claiming to know the name of it.

Due diligence has not been performed in many of the claims on the Pay Per Play sales page. This is not assumption but verified in telephone conversations with the founder of Pay Per Play and myself. Things have been assumed as accurate based on relationships. While this may be ok if it is a small investment of time or resources but based on the scope of this launch it really does look like another AGLOCO in the works where people are not looking at the past history of voice2page or it's claims.

Lots of dreams and encouragement that will never come to fruition. Good luck if you are into this but, I would consider this a passing fad that will never deliver.

Voice2Page and Pay Per Play tries to cover up libel


I received an email from Shawn Collins where Charles Heflin asked that his libelous comments be removed from the Affiliate Tips Blog. (link in previous post not given here to spare Shawn from comments)

It appears that he cannot stand behind any claims that he makes even the ones where he has tried to discredit me in exposing prior voice2page affiliate program and why PayPerPlay is not a viable product. I believe it is a failure along the lines of AGLOCO and will never viable. I hope they prove me wrong for all of the people who have signed on.

I also posted some questions at the Warrior Forum where I know Heflin will see them and will not be deleted. This whole launch reminds me of the snake oil salesman of old using shills and avoiding real questions. While unverifiable, I think they rallied forces at digg.com to stop a story about this whole fiasco from going popular by burying a story about PayPerPlay being the next form of intrusive internet advertising. (please digg it anyway if you like the story, more buries will not hurt it :P)

Just remember folks anytime something sounds to good to be true it usually is. You need to do some due diligence before getting behind this one. There are some serious concerns that need to be addressed before this can be given any credibility.

Tuesday, December 18, 2007

Tough Questions to Pay Per Play and their responses

I have asked Mr Heflin some tough questions at the Pay Per Play blog and at the Pay Per Play facebook group and he has failed to respond.

It is my belief that Mr Heflin has actually not been dishonest on purpose in his promotion of the Pay Per Play / NetAudioAds / voice2page, but just like Larry Host when asked tough questions they are ignored, are met with resistance or causes the phone to be hung up.

Mr Heflin has refused to return phone calls or answer direct emails after being made aware of the lies coming from voice2page / netaudioads.

I posted this at the facebook group after another question was deleted:

I have asked you to respond to some valid concerns and instead you have resorted to libel.

I have never said that Pay Per Play has done anything wrong other then maybe you have not done proper due diligence before jumping into bed with voice2page.

You deleted my last questions?!?

I will ask them agian so we can get the official stance from payperplay.

Is payperplay aware that HBO has never bought advertising from voice2page?

Are you aware that your claims of "actual advertisers" on your sales page is completly false.

Are you aware that voice2page has never paid a single affiliate for "ad plays"?

If you are aware why are you claiming that they have?

Why have you failed to return phone calls are you worried that you may have to answer some tough question or is Larry Page training you to ignore real issues?

Are you aware of the Gary Shawkey fiasco?

Be real here let the people you have recruited know the truth!!


I have also screen captured it. Lets see how long it takes for him to delete it. Promotion is one thing, being honest and addressing concerns is another. Don't promote unless you are willing to back up your claims.

Mr Helfin has also stated due to privacy concerns he cannot elaborate on the lies he posted at other blogs. It has come to my attention in a recent email by voice2page to its former affiliates, who were left out of this launch, that voice2page has no real privacy policy or desire to protect peoples private info.

This is shown on the registration page as a previous commenter has pointed out and also in the email referenced. I will elaborate on this breech of privacy in a future post.

Monday, December 17, 2007

Pay Per Play resorts to Libel

Charles Heflin has now resorted to libel in defending Voice2Page and NetAudio Ads. This is despite my contact request and his email asking for more information.

To clear up some misconceptions and to defend his libelous comments:

Voice2Page's original affiliate program was launched with a $9.95 monthly fee. Affiliates were to be paid based on affiliate referrals and voice ad plays.

Many affiliates never received payment from their affiliate "downline". I did receive one check for around $30 (not sure of the actual amount). If I received any others I don't recall and will post it accurately if corrected.

Other affiliates that had big "affiliate downlines"never received a cent and constantly asked me when they were going to be paid.

I was never terminated from the voice2page affiliate program. Voice2page's CEO Sam Deeb and Larry Host both stated to me on the phone that they terminated the affiliate program without notifying the affiliates.

I was owed several hundred dollars under the old affiliate agreement and voice2page never paid. I instead settled for a refund of the money I paid in.

Many of the claims on the old sellingppp website were false. Why do you think they changed it?

With that being said Charles Heflin has committed libel, by publishing false and misleading information in an attempt to discredit me. I have never posted anything negative about PPP just the facts of their false claims and have asked Mr Heflin to document if voice2page fed him this false information. He has refused to respond.

With that being said Mr Heflin has opened himself up for a suit for his libelous comments in his attempt to discredit me.

This is what he posted at another blog

Charles Heflin // Dec 17, 2007 at 5:37 am

Paul Rushing was an affiliate of Voice2Page (completely different program from Pay-Per-Play). Rushing’s relationship was terminated in the past due to violations I cannot disclose due to privacy issues.

All claims made at sellingppp.com (the Pay-Per-Play official website) are 100% verifiable. Any due diligence that anyone may wish to conduct can be done by contacting Larry Host at lhost at voice2page dot com.

You may also do a Google on NetAudioAds or Pay per Play and you will see that the only negative commenter is Paul Rushing or blogs and websites owned by Paul Rushing.

I have highlighted his lies. There are others coming forward soon that will also exposes voice2page's lack of ethical treatment of their affiliates. They are concerned about getting refunds before they do.
Another blog about voice2page unethical treatment of affiliates: Voice2Page-Takesmoney and it is not authored by me. The only difference between that one and this one is my SEO skills will pwn the voice2page issue and now I will help SEO the others.



Thursday, December 13, 2007

More False Claims from the Pay Per Play marketing materials

Pay Per Play is using some serious false claims in their advertising launch. While it is unsure if the misinformation is coming directly from Pay Per Play or from voice2page and netaudioads.

Here is one of the big false claims:

They claim that members have already been earning money from ad plays for 2 1/2 years from ad plays. For starters voice2page and netaudioads has never issued a single payment through their current affiliate network for "ad plays". Secondly if the product is already established there is no need for the Pay Per Play organization if people are already making money from this.

Trying to organize something that is already in place would seem counterproductive. I do know that some that have started touting Pay Per Play via blogs have taken down content. Hopefully people will wake up before they invest to much time on this.

Monday, December 10, 2007

Lies and Deception in their Affiliate Sign Up Pages

NetAudioAds has now finally launched and using deceptive marking ploys to enlist future affiliates. One thing they have forgotten about is the affiliate base they had in place and calling it a failure because they failed train the affiliates in the product.

Now they are making claims of teaming up with a major top 5 search engine to launch their non viable product. Here is a screen shot where they are making claims of no hype and alluding to their search engine partner.


What is funny is that they cannot tell you the name of the search engine because of a non disclosure agreement. What that means to me it is a small third tier portal like 7 search. If it were a reputable search engine they would want it branded with their name and not try to hide the fact that they are a part of this.

There are many reasons why this is a pass. To many people are mislead daily in their marketing efforts online. If they cannot give you the full information upfront stay away from it is the best policy in my book.