Voice2Pages Does it Again - Shaming Former Affilites in the Launch of Pay Per Play and NetAudioAds

In the previous post I announced that Voice2Page was trying to do the right thing by the original affiliates that help build the majority of users inside of their system. It appears that that was just an attempt to placate the former affiliates.

The affiliate program that was first put into play by voice2page and netaudioads appeared to be a cash grab by them. As many affiliates never received payouts for their efforts despite paying in the monthly fees to voice2page. That is why the former affiliates stopped promoting it.

Here is a copy of the recent email sent to the original affiliates:

Happy Holidays,

We are pleased to announce exciting changes to the Voice2Page Affiliate program.

We want to thank all of our affiliates for working together with us to build a solid system which has become the platform for Net Audio Ads today. Your efforts have helped build the footprint on which we can launch forward in a new medium of online marketing and ad content delivery which will benefit all of the online marketers and advertisers who participate.

Voice2Page is embarking on an exciting new program which pays better commissions and costs nothing to join or belong to.

After nearly three years of development and testing, we are now releasing the NetAudioAds product. You may have already seen publicity from the Pay-Per-Play people. They are a group who have contracted with Voice2Page, on a NON-EXCLUSIVE basis, to develop a large footprint of website publishers to host the NetAudioAds product.

This opportunity extends to you as well.

BUT FIRST ...

Lets get the past affiliate program completed and done with.

FIRST:

In a prior email we asked that you reply to us in order that we can refund all of the affiliate membership fees that you paid to Voice2Page. If you have not already done so, you need to request the refund via email in order for us to process it.

SECOND:

During your membership in the original V2P Affiliate program we randomly assigned you a membership base out of the people who signed up for the standard Voice2Page service or the V2P Comment Player.

Those members are STILL YOURS and you will STILL RECEIVE YOUR COMMISSIONS on every ad played on those member pages as long as those members continue using Voice2Page.

A large part of the benefits of being an affiliate was a commission on every ad played by your downline, once advertising started. The time has come - PAID advertising will begin in the first quarter of 2008 and commissions will be paid for all ads played on every one of your members' pages.

THIRD:

Since affiliate membership fees are being refunded and no more charges will be made for the affiliate program, there will be no commissions for the affiliates below you. HOWEVER, you still earn your percentage of the advertising revenue from your downline now and into the future, as long as the member uses Voice2Page.

If you have any questions or comments, please email me at lhost@voice2page.com.

Sincerely,

The V2P Affiliate Team
Voice2Page.com

When I questioned Larry Host on when they were going to provide more pertinent information based on this announcement here is the responses received from him.

Paul Rushing: When are you going to send out full disclosures of what people are to expect ?
Larry: huh?
Paul Rushing: That does not tell people how or why they are to earn through the system
Paul Rushing: it is just a premise
Paul Rushing: no substance
Larry: so, am i to assume that you expect me to project earnings in the future? yeah, right! what we said is what we will do. they can login to see progress after it happens
Paul Rushing: it does not tell people what the earning rate is
Paul Rushing: how to refer new people etc
Larry: same as it was. no new affiliates accepted under old program. they can join ppp if they want to.

It just appears that the never really have any intention on doing the right thing. The former system the users were using HTML and CSS build players and the new system requires java script players. The users who the old affiliates referred are not going back to ad java script players and if they cut out the old players they will lose those users.

When voice2page was pitching netaudioads to us they said that the five second ad clips would be on the front of the free users use of the system.

So I can only assume that all plays from the free users that were recruited into the old system will count as ad plays. If that is not the case I can see them being in court for quite sometime once the affiliates call them out on the sham if they are not paid this way.

Mr Host does not seem to mind going to court or trying to abuse the court system based on statements he made to me either.

Here is his take on it:

Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:08:39 PM): Hi Larry
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:09:06 PM): This is Paul Rushing
Larry (12/26/2007 8:09:12 PM): can we come to some accomodation here?
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:09:22 PM): Well I don't know
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:09:47 PM): I have been libeled 2 x by your agent based on slanderous information he recieved from v2p
Larry (12/26/2007 8:10:27 PM): c'mon, recognise we have also been libeled by your comments about things of which you have no information
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:10:35 PM): I havew not libeled you
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:10:42 PM): if it is not documeted fact
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:10:53 PM): I expressly made it opinion
Larry (12/26/2007 8:11:05 PM): lets get beyond 'mommy he called me a name' and be businessmen here
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:11:16 PM): You woul be suprised what kind of information I have
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:11:23 PM): yes I am
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:11:29 PM): I have a reputation to protect
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:11:40 PM): and your agent has done the best he can to damage it
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:11:58 PM): I am being a business man
Larry (12/26/2007 8:11:58 PM): you would also be surprised at wht our legal analyst has on your 'opinions' - so do we work this out or not
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:12:05 PM): every thing is transactional to me
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:12:33 PM): I really dont care about your legal anylyst opinion either
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:12:44 PM): I am not far from having a JD myself
Larry (12/26/2007 8:12:50 PM): ball is in your court - you can either appear to be responsible for this 'breakthrough' or you do not, your choice
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:13:09 PM): The ball says
Larry (12/26/2007 8:13:15 PM): we are making this public in mere minutes unless we strike a workable deal
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:13:27 PM): I will annnouce that you have finally donte the right thig by the former affiliates
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:13:55 PM): that the company still cannot be trusted because of not paying affiates in the past
Larry (12/26/2007 8:13:58 PM): you can appear to have foreknowledge with our tacit approval
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:14:12 PM): that they only offered th refunds etc based on outside pressures
Larry (12/26/2007 8:14:29 PM): i guess that we have no further need to talk then
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:15:00 PM): It still does not change the fact theat you agent in the name of netaudio ads libeled me based on information he confirms came from v2p
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:15:26 PM): I also have a recording of the phone call where he admits he did not do due diligence
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:15:43 PM): on the claims he is making at sellingppp.com
Larry (12/26/2007 8:15:50 PM): i cannot control that - he is his own person and he was simply told that on of the reasons we cancelled the program was misuse by some top tier people (I only know of two people who committed these alleged abuses. I was not one of them and it was even encouraged by Voice2Page. More on this Latter. Not part of the chat in red)
Larry (12/26/2007 8:16:20 PM): he was not responsible to do due diligence, he is responsible to market a product
Larry (12/26/2007 8:16:34 PM): out third party auditors do the due diligence
Larry (12/26/2007 8:16:53 PM): it is the people PAYING that we do the audits for
Larry (12/26/2007 8:17:00 PM): the advertisers
Larry (12/26/2007 8:17:25 PM): I promised Dave that this would be emialed today
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:17:25 PM): what do you propose for me to release my libel claim made from your agent and the slanderous comments taht caused him to make them
Larry (12/26/2007 8:17:29 PM): are you in or out
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:17:46 PM): I am in regardless if you are doing the right thing by all affiliates
Larry (12/26/2007 8:17:50 PM): there is NO POSSIBILITY of any cash or stock settlement
Larry (12/26/2007 8:18:18 PM): lf you want to litigate, go ahead, discovery goes both ways and can get UGLY
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:18:27 PM): I really dont think the stock has any value now or in the futre unless you have a back up plan for whne this flops -- thatis opinion
Larry (12/26/2007 8:18:36 PM): and you cannot prove meaningful damages
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:18:46 PM): libel per se
Larry (12/26/2007 8:18:54 PM): let me worry about our future
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:18:54 PM): I dont need meaningingful damages
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:19:26 PM): ther earethings like contributory negligence
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:19:32 PM): false advertising
Larry (12/26/2007 8:19:42 PM): only if you can afford to fight a lawsuit with a legal colonoscope totally buried you-know-where, for a very extended period of time
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:19:51 PM): lol
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:19:55 PM): you dont understand
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:20:01 PM): that does not scare me
Larry (12/26/2007 8:20:02 PM): think your plan through, my dinner is ready
Larry (12/26/2007 8:20:07 PM): i will be back in 30 mins
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:20:08 PM): and a I am judgement proof
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 8:20:29 PM): right and wrong means more
Larry (12/26/2007 9:00:47 PM): back in a few
Larry (12/26/2007 9:42:06 PM): Why are you not responding to Charles nor accepting his calls?
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 9:42:20 PM): He has not called me
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 9:42:30 PM): I would take any call
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 9:42:42 PM): I have not received phone calls
Larry (12/26/2007 9:42:52 PM): what number should he call you at?
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 9:43:10 PM): 912-xxx-xxxx
Paul Rushing (12/26/2007 9:43:14 PM): in 5 min
Larry (12/26/2007 9:43:18 PM): k

This is the complete chat I had with him before this letter was sent. You will notice I highlighted examples of his demeanor. Very unprofessional in my opinion.

Also he says this announcement is a breakthrough. How is doing the right thing by the people that built the company a breakthrough? Then not providing any real information to the affiliates other than they need to go join PayPerPlay is really nothing more than more Smoke and Mirrors from Voice2Page.